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Owning everyone I'm James — Cola from City University London and IFA, and thank you for the opportunity to moderate this session and yes unfortunately it's not exactly the same panel in the program, but I think we have some excellent speakers panelists to share their experience with us, so before I go to the panel I'd like to just set the scene in fact I had created some visuals but then understandably we were told that we always overrun when we do nevertheless the panelists will use because I think the nature of the topic itself in some cases does require some visuals, but I'll say this I think we decided that we're going to have a slightly different set up, and I'm going to be the controversial one and a typical opinionated argumentative academic and then the panelists will tell you all about it how they use it why they use it and why it's actually 30 degrees working but nevertheless also I should say this would like your participation a little if you think of as everybody in the audience have got some sort of mobile phones devices and that's actually the question from the program, and it's not so scientific or anything like that but at least just to gauge your opinion and view about the skin SVT's so if you can go to that address I'm going to put this slide later on you can only vote once and based on our discussion you can vote later on and last thing I would say is before we start with the panelists is I think you know we are living in this modern age about some would argue that modern management techniques utilizes all this sort of performance monitoring whether financial health and safety and including in aviation now we're introducing safety but there is an argument that we've got we've reached this ultra safe stage without the safety performance indicators right so the organization's never had safety performance indicators on till a few years ago so one argument would be you know what's wrong with carrying on as we are and I know you might just think I'm delusional, and perhaps I can later on I can tell you some very interesting performance indicators and targets later on but I'm going to stop there because maybe I can use those in the conclusion and I'm going to start with sort of by the way I introduced them obviously we've got Locum from Qatar CAA earlier on he yesterday he ran the workshop and we've got Carl from Emirates Safety Manager as SMS mark from rolling airlines as the flight data monitoring engineering, so I'm gonna start with the regulator and if you go back to the ICAO SMM the early version of IS and let me introduce this idea of safety indicators versus safety performance indicators one was for the regulator the other one was for the certificate holders and then later on I think that disappeared in the latest version so my question to your Kim is how does your regulator how do you see and how did you develop the safety performance indicators or safety indicators whatever you want to call them at state level okay thank...
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